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A verse that is commonly taken out of context is Colossians 1:15. Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons use the scripture Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14 to drive their point home that Jesus was a created being. Colossians 1:15 in the King James Version says, “(He) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.” Because this verse says firstborn, the organizations that want Jesus to be created say that “firstborn” refers to Jesus as a creation, the first being God created. Jehovah’s Witness teach that God simply created Jesus, but Mormons teach that God had relations with his heavenly wife to birth Jesus as the first spirit creature. Mormons also believe that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer, and that both Lucifer and Jesus at one point presented a plan of salvation to Father God. When Father God accepted Jesus’ plan over Lucifer’s, Lucifer became angry and decided that he would rebel. Lucifer took one third of the spirit beings with him in his rebellion and became Satan. Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that only Jehovah God is to be praised, and they teach that Jesus is not the greatest God, but only a god. Jehovah’s Witnesses also tell us that Jesus, is now and was before, Michael the Archangel.

The teachings of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormon’s are both false for several obvious reasons. First, the Greek word for firstborn is prōtotokos. The word prōtotokos is referring to Christ in this context. The literal translation means ‘first begotten’ and is only used in this context in one other verse, Revelations 1:5. Revelation 1:5 reads, “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten (prōtotokos) of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood…” Clearly in Revelation 1:5 prōtotokos is referring to Jesus as the first person to rise from the dead. We see that in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and we know that His resurrection ensures our future resurrection. Also notice that in Revelation 1:5 Jesus is given three titles; (1) the faithful witness, (2) the first begotten and (3) the prince of the kings of the earth.

Second, another indicator that Colossians 1:15 is not referring to Jesus Christ as a created being is the Greek word archē in Colossians 1:18. Colossians 1:18 reads, “And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning (archē), the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.” The Greek word archē means beginning and once again is referring to a title. Jesus is given three titles in Colossians 1:18 which are (1) the head of the body, (2) the beginning (archē) and (3) the firstborn from the dead. The firstborn from the dead does not mean that Jesus was the first created being, since the title given to Him in the exact same verse says that He is the absolute beginning, but once again is referring to Jesus as the first one to rise from the dead. Revelation 3:14 also refers to Jesus as the absolute beginning in one of three titles which are: (1) the Amen (2) the faithful and true witness and (3) the beginning (archē) of the creation of God. Looking at these verses and reading the Greek as it lies, it is clear that Jesus is, was, and always will be. He was not created in a spirit relationship or by any other means.

Third, teaching that Colossians 1:15 (or any other verse) refers to Jesus as a created being contradicts multiple Old Testament and New Testament passages. Take Isaiah 43:10-11. The ESV says, “You are my witnesses, declares the Lord… Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.” Is God a liar? Certainly not. God does not contradict Himself, nor can He. God is perfect, and He does not lie. Or how about our man John, certainly he must have been confused when he wrote John 1 and 1 John 1 referring to Jesus Christ’s eternal existence. John said that Jesus always existed and that He is the only God.

Fourth, the Jews were monotheists, meaning they believed in one God and only one God. To them, Jesus claimed to be this God in John 10. John 10:22-39 is a great example of Jesus’ deity. When Jesus says that He and the Father are one, the Jew’s knew He was saying that He was God, and they thought that was preposterous. John 10:33 says, The Jews answered him (Jesus), “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” They knew what Jesus was saying, He was saying that He was God, the only God, and they had no concept of the Godhead (Trinity). If Jesus were to say that He was some other god, the Jew’s would have dismissed Him and told Him to go to the pagans who had multiple god’s. Also, if Jesus were to say he was a pagan god or some created god, the Jew’s would not have said that He was blaspheming, and they would not have crucified Him later on. They would not have given a rip if Jesus were claiming to be some other god, because to them (the monotheist Jews), there were no other gods. The concept of Jesus as a created being does not make sense, because it would not have made sense to the Jew’s, the people who crucified Him for claiming to be their one and only God.

I hope this helps the reader in his or her studies to see the truth of the scriptures. Jesus was not created, nor could He have been created, or else God is a liar and the whole Bible collapses on itself like a deck of cards. We have to have the right Jesus, not some created one. Only God could pay for our sins, not a god with a little g.

God bless,
Dan Fogarty.

Some people say that Christians are SO stubborn in their ways. How could they possibly only believe in the Bible, and how could Jesus be the ONLY way to Heaven… they are so closed-minded.

However, the ones who say statements like these are being closed-minded.

You see, everyone has a belief system that defines them.

A Muslim, for example, believes that they have to pray 5 times a day during Ramadan. I don’t see many people going up to them and telling them to stop.

In fact I once had a job where my boss was a Muslim, and in the month of Ramadan I outsold him 3-1, and they gave me his job. Of course, he was allowed to pray… AT WORK 5 times a day, but when they found out I read a Bible between making phone calls, they asked me to get ride of it.

Many Muslim’s also believes in Shuria Law, which allows women to be killed if they marry a non-Muslim… Isn’t that a little closed minded?

I don’t see Christians killing each other over affairs and divorces…

Jehovah’s Witnesses are VERY closed minded.

I had a JW coming to my house 3 times, and he told me that everything I had to say did not matter, because I was not part of their so called ‘anointed’ and I was lost.

They cannot even think for themselves, someone else tells them how to read the Bible, pray, ext.

In fact they are so closed-minded, that they will SHUN the unbeliever. Even if it’s there own kid, they may kick them out of the house if they do not believe in Jehovah God.

Mormons believe that you have to accept Joseph Smith as the last prophet, or there is no way to enter Heaven… now we Christians know that we have to accept Jesus Christ, but who is this Smith character…

Catholics have a list of rules and regulations they have to abide by. They also believe in Purgatory, praying for the dead, a man is the head of the church i.e. the pope, and so on.

Seventh day Adventists believe you must worship on a Saturday, because that is the Sabbath.

Atheists have a belief system friends… they believe in nothing.

Of course, if you are an atheist, and there really is nothing before or after your life, and God does not love us because there is no God, then how can we have any value at all?

In the Atheist system, we have no self worth, we have to borrow principles from the Bible as an atheist to give ourselves any worth at all. If no one made you, why should anyone love you? You are a random chance, and then you’ll be gone. There’s no self worth in that.

My point is this; everyone is somewhat closed-minded. Here’s the definition.

close-minded – not ready to receive to new ideas

My second point is this; if you believe the truth and know the truth, it’s OK to be closed minded be definition.

What do I mean. John 14:6 say’s. “I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Now the definition says that you are not ready to receive a new idea… and I’m not!

Jesus said He was the way.

Jesus said He was the truth.

Jesus said He was the life!

If Jesus is God, then I have to believe Him.

See friends, you have three choices when it comes to Jesus.

He is your Lord (or someone else’s Lord), a liar, or a crazy person.
How can I say that? Well he said he is the only way to Heaven right? SO he is either telling the truth, or he is a liar, or he is nuts!

I’m gonna talk about that more in a future sermon, but remember, He’s not a moral teacher if He’s a liar. He’s either Lord, or not. Good, or Evil.

If you believe that somehow you or anyone else can receive the gift of eternal life without knowing LIFE (Jesus) then you are mistaken. Jesus does not give that option; it is not open to you, or anyone.

Please take this with you; it is OK to believe in the truth.

You don’t have to ponder if Jesus is Lord, He is.

You don’t have to ponder if other religions are right, there not.

You don’t have to ponder if Atheists are correct, there not.

John 8:31-32
Jesus said, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples.
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

John 18:37-38
You are a king then?” Pilate asked.


“You say that I’m a king,” Jesus replied. “I was born for this, and I have come into the
world for this: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.”

“What is truth?” said Pilate.

Jesus is the truth.

God Bless,
Dan Fogarty.

What will you do with Jesus?

Luke 6:6-10 NLT
On another Sabbath day, a man with a deformed right hand was in the synagogue while Jesus was teaching.
The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees watched Jesus closely. If he healed the man’s hand, they planned to accuse him of working on the Sabbath.
 But Jesus knew their thoughts. He said to the man with the deformed hand, “Come and stand in front of everyone.” So the man came forward. Then Jesus said to his critics, “I have a question for you. Does the law permit good deeds on the Sabbath, or is it a day for doing evil? Is this a day to save life or to destroy it?” He looked around at them one by one and then said to the man, “Hold out your hand.” So the man held out his hand, and it was restored! At this, the enemies of Jesus were wild with rage and began to discuss what to do with him.

Think about that, they What would they do with Jesus?…

Jesus is a lot of things to a lot of people.

To a Jew, Jesus was a false Messiah, someone who claimed to be divine, but was not.

To the Mormon’s, Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. He had multiple wives and was created by God the Father. They also believe that Jesus failed His earthly mission and that Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism) picked it up and finished it… YIKES

To an agnostic, they cannot know if Jesus was God or not (for an agnostic believes Deity is not something we can grasp).

To an atheist, God does not exist, so Jesus couldn’t have been God, because there is no God to them.

To a Muslim, Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of God, and not even the last prophet (Muhammad was the last).

To a Hindu, Jesus shared a message of love and was in no way divine.

To a Jehovah’s Witness, Jesus is a god, but not almighty God… He is a spirit creature and is also, somehow Michael the Archangel… if you can work that one out.

To a Buddhist, Jesus was a great person, but not God.

Only to a Christian (a true Christian) is Jesus Christ the Son of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lord’s.

And to the rest of the world, we are crazy to say that.

My first question to you is this: who is Jesus to you?

Not who is He to your parents, not who is he to your family, who is Jesus to you?

The second question is this, what will you do with Jesus?

While you think of your answer, keep in mind that for any theory (or concept) taken from a book, writing or idea to be legitimate, it has to make sense from the time we are taking it from.

You cannot just say that now you believe the Jews had several gods when through all of history, every document you can find (biblical or not) refers to only one God for the Jewish people.

If you find my book 2000 years from now, and the language is different for some reason, now everyone speaks in Klingon, and you say, “oh look. This fellow was referring to Jesus as a lesser god,” but the English text clearly says that Jesus was the one and only true God, it would not make sense.

I’ll give you another example.

The book of Mormon
Wrote by Joseph Smith from what he said was a revelation to him from an angel. This angel came to him and told him that Jesus failed his mission on earth, and that he had to pick up the torch and finish the job.

The book of Mormon was wrote from golden plates that were buried (supposedly) by the tribe of Native Americans around 325 AD. Smith said that the templates were the “reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics.”

The problem:
1. The book refers to horses in North America prior to the year 400 AD, which we now know that no horses were in North America at that time.
2. Recent DNA evidence has proved that the tribe that made the tablets were, in fact, not JEWISH
3. And the text has been altered at different times and different places over 4,000 times.

It does not make sense. It was not what the original authors wrote or intended to say.

Here’s another example:
Joseph Smith purchased a document (that he claimed) containing writings from Abraham.
This would have been a huge discovery, however it’s not true.
No one was able to translate the document when Smith found it, however now we can translate it with the finding of the Rosetta Stone, and the book has nothing to do with Abraham… its an Egyptian book of the dead referring to the afterlife of their dead pharos.

It does not make sense. It was not what the original authors wrote or intended to say.

I tell you this because we cannot pick up the Bible today and say whatever we want about it, if it was not what the original authors wrote, meant or intended to say. Putting a new age twist on something that never meant what we now claim it means is plain foolishness.

With that said, lets look at what Jesus said about Himself from a book that has been so well preserved, that the critics who say that man altered the text have absolutely no proof to found that claim; the Bible.

#1 Jesus claimed He was God

Some of you have heard otherwise… some of you are under the false assumption that Jesus never said He was God.

But He did say He was God not just a god.

John 14:7-11
If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

Here’s Jesus, claiming to be God. He does this all through the Gospels.

Lets look at what made the Jew’s so mad that they crucified Him.

Jesus could have came and said he was any pagan god and the Jews would have cared less, but that’s not what happened, He said he was God almighty.

Some never translations of the Bible have perverted the Greek and Hebrew to say things like Jesus was a god, but you have to understand that once again, this would not make sense in the time Jesus lived.

Keep in mind that the people who persecuted Jesus were monotheists, meaning they had only one God.

They were not like the pagan nations who had several hundred gods; they had one according to the first commandment, “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.”

Jesus could have came and said he was any pagan god and the Jews would have cared less, but that’s not what happened. What happened was Jesus came and said he was God, and it pissed off the Pharisees to the point where they were ready to stone Him and ultimately crucified him!

John 10:30-33
Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God (Theos in Greek).”

Theos in the Greek in this verse is referring to the one and only true God.

That bring me to #2; other people called him God, and worshipped Him as God.

It’s one thing to say you are God, it’s another to accept worship as God, as it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.’ (Luke 4:8)

Matt 8:2 behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, Lord (Kyrios=God the Messiah), if You are willing, You can make me clean.

Why didn’t Jesus rebuke the leper for worshiping Him… because He is God.

An example of someone calling him God

John 20:28 Thomas said, “My Lord and My God (Theos).”

Thomas called him God, (Theos, the one and only true God) and Jesus did not rebuke him.
People worshipped Jesus, and He did not rebuke them

Notice Jesus never said to Thomas, “now, now… you mustn’t call me God…” He never said that…

Still more evidence that the disciples were convinced of who He was (and this is only scratching the surface).

10 of the 11 (faithful) disciples (with the exception of John, of course they tried to kill him he just would not die) died a martyr’s death. They were all killed for believing in Jesus and never recanted their testimony to death.

These Jewish monotheists were absolutely sure that Jesus was God.

It’s one thing to believe something, but to be willing to die for it, now that’s another story.

An example in the scriptures is when Peter and John were thrown in jail and while on trial they said to their persecutors, “for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:1-15)

That brings me to #3 Jesus said that he is the only way to heaven.

If we say there is another way to heaven, then Jesus is a liar.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Jesus here once again is claiming to be God when we look at the Old Testament scriptures.

Isaiah 45:21, 43:11
There is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me.
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.

So if you wrote on your card that you though Jesus was a moral teacher but not God, he could not possibly be moral. He is a gigantic liar if He’s not God.

The second question is what will you do with Jesus.

If He truly is Lord like he said, will you accept Him or reject Him?

Only you can make that choice

No one can make it for you.

And let me say this, that there are people who go to church that do not know Him.

You can spend a lot of time in a garage that does not make you a car. (I stole this from somewhere)

And someone will say at this time, “well I don’t believe in Hell or Heaven,” to which I would reply that just because you do not believe in something does not mean it’s not 100% true.

Let me go out here on Sewell’s Point (a local road) and drive 100 mph, and when I get pulled over I’ll tell the cop that I don’t believe there’s a speed limit… how do you think that would work for me?

Better yet I’ll do something illegal, say parking in an area I didn’t know I couldn’t park. When they tow my car, just because I go tell them I didn’t know about the law does not mean I will not have to pay the price.

Saying I do not know or I don’t believe doesn’t mean anything when it comes to the judgment we all have to face one day.

Jesus Christ is either your Lord, or someone else’s Lord.

We either accept Him as Savior or not.

Rom 6:23, 10:9
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord….
AND if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

You have to be the one to confess Christ.

Not your grandma, or your family… you.

What will you do with Jesus?

God Bless,

Dan Fogarty.